Loved how stylish it was, with the sound in particular. Nitpicky distinction, but kinda significant. If you’re considering a horse for equine competitions, the Thoroughbred breed should be at the top of your list. Thoroughbreds is a pitch black dark comedy in the vein of Heathers or Throw Momma from the Train. I think that was more or less the intention. Maybe just because Lily was willing to hang out with Amanda which was entertaining? Finally opening in theaters on Friday, “Thoroughbreds” (née “Thoroughbred”) tells the story of two high school girls in the kind of hyper-affluent … I think this shows Amanda clearly prefers a better well being for Lily than one for her stepdad. It turns out that Mark enrolled Lily in a school for troubled girls not because he was an evil, douchey stepdad, but because she actually was a troubled girl with psychopathic tendencies. I think Olivia Cooke is one of the finest actors working today, I loved the ensemble of this movie, and Anton Yelchin and Anya Taylor Joy knocked it out of the park. When that happens, it's almost impossible to repair. Even though Amanda introduced the idea of killing Marc, she wanted to do it "for the right reasons". I think a point of the movie is that she didn't have feelings, but was able to understand that other people did and so she reasons (but doesn't feel) that the world is a better place when other people are having the good feels. Known for their mastery of racing and jumping, their gait is powerful, exhibiting agility and speed. … But she's too afraid of admitting that. Thoroughbreds is a very unique movie that takes chances in ways you don't expect, and for that alone it warrants a recommendation from me. No one knows. Why the school for troubled teens vs regular ol' boarding school? The way he speaks to the mother (and grabs her arm!) Join our community of over 1,000,000 Screenwriters! Of the two main characters, Amanda is the psychopath, but Lily is the monster. That Anton Yelchin "i'm gonna be rich & successful one day" scene in the car was a fucking gut punch though. Amanda is brought to the home of her childhood friend Lily (Anya Taylor-Joy) so that she can tutor Amanda. Thoroughbred breeding theories are used by horse breeders in an attempt to arrange matings that produce progeny successful in horse racing.Bloodstock experts also rely on these theories when purchasing young horses or breeding stock. Lily, on the other hand, was very charming (a key trait of psychopaths) and seemingly normal, and the film only slowly revealed her psychopathic behaviour. The white horse looks more like any other regular horse I've seen compared to the arabian on the right. Let me start with the types of animals. And the revelation that Amanda was fake crying after Lily's dad's funeral: although Lily takes that as a betrayal, I interpreted that as Amanda understanding what Lily needed in that moment (a friend to cry with) and did what was necessary. Interesting. Film Review: ‘Thoroughbreds’. When Amanda practiced her smile in the mirror. the sound design in this movie is on point from everything to the chips. Sociopaths are easier to identify in their behaviour. There's a nice moment of surprise, but what does that surprise tell us about the world. I would argue one tiny point about Mark. THOROUGHBREDS CHAPTER 2 Explained. More thoroughbreds are slaughtered each year than die as a result of racing. To each their own. I highly recommend anyone to listen to Cory Finley's Q&A podcast episode. Never is a shot wasted in this movie. But, if she really doesn't have feelings (which I believe), then why does she have this preference? This can mean that Thoroughbreds jump a bit more flat and quick, which may make them a little less careful. She gently pets him and then reaches into her bag and pulls out a knife. Amanda was the more advanced, i.e., had come to terms with her lack of empathy. Thoroughbred horses are superb athletes with remarkable speed and an extraordinary spirit. According to Wikipedia, the mallard is 50 to 65 cm long with a mass of 0.72 to 1.5… For instance, she killed her horse out of mercy, because she didn't want the horse to suffer the rest of its life with a broken leg. The cinematography, the twists and turns (literal and story-wise), and even just content wise, all signs point to there being a gigantic takeaway. The movie is brilliantly crafted and completely understands audience expectation. Thoroughbreds is a fascinating movie in a number of ways. When Lily’s at the spa with her mom waiting to see if Tim did the job, I initially thought the part where she sees Mark’s face on the pedicurist as really tacky and overdone, but then a few seconds later, it pays off by making you second guess if Mark’s actually back or just another hallucination. buuuuut can't forget Amanda was still super down to kill stepdad even though she realizes he's not evil or entirely deserving to die (she mentions this a few times). It knows the audience will see a stern step dad and automatically default to the idea that he's a jerk and side with Lily. That's just my interpretation. Remember the … I'm confused as to why people say their horses are "pure arabian" such as the girl on the white horse. The withers are high, the back short, the body lean and the chest deep. Loved the score so much. Starring: Anya Taylor-Joy, Olivia Cooke, Anton Yelchin, Paul Sparks, Francie Swift OUR RATING: ★★★½ Story: Drama-thriller directed and written by Cory Finley in his directorial debut. A graph of blood lactate concentration versus time for the 1000 m (5 furlongs) is then drawn, using at least three data points. That's totally how I felt about the ending, too. Oh, awesome. I don't believe that he came up w/ the idea to send Lily to that school b/c he saw correctly identified her as a psychopath. Thoroughbreds is a sparse, economic movie, the kind of film whose alternate life as a stage play is easy to imagine, down to the ominous allusion to … I can't remember the details as I heard it over several days, but I recall walking away with an even better appreciation of the film. Do you think Mark is a sociopath? Surprised at how violent and bleak it got at the end but it paid off. Psychopaths are less likely to form any real bonds and are more likely to develop shallow relationships for their own benefit, and manipulate others through their charm and social skills. Remember the scene where they're discussing the answers to an SAT question, and every answer is a double entendre for the characters' emotions and motivations? I loved this movie for all of the reasons others have said, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned is how tight the writing is. Sure it was not a quick death, but she tried to end its suffering as quickly as she could. First of all, in clinical psychology, the distinction between psychopathy and sociopathy is not even formally recognized. Warning! What kind of horse is it? Can't wait to listen to this to get me through my work day tomorrow. “Thoroughbreds” is classically Hitchcockian in its smoldering homicidal tendencies, yet bracingly current with the spot-on casting of Anya Taylor-Joy and Olivia Cooke as childhood friends who reconnect and reveal the internal damage they’ve become skilled at suppressing. Horses in Red Dead Redemption 2 are both an animal species and the main form of transport. The sound of the exercise machine upstairs, someone tapping a pen against a table, the stone chess pieces being moved. While both lack empathy, psychopaths experience a lot less guilt, and are concerned only about themselves. This is really compelling, but was there really any evidence of that?! That being said, I read a thread on which some redactor was saying they think he acted that way because he knows Lily messed with his bike, but knows the Mom won't believe him. The bones actually bends before it breaks (plastic deformation) so even if you tried to repair it, it would be bent. The Turning carefully adapts many elements of Victorian and Gothic horror, as it's based off The Turn of the Screw by Henry James, and updates the tale for a '90s setting but leaves the ending wide open for audience interpretation.. Your bond with your horse represents trust and understanding. I loved how it was payoff for the multiple scenes where we hear the stepfather's exercise machine, and to suddenly hear it stop signifying that he was dead. I’ve seen the movie 3 times now, and I know Amanda wouldn’t lie about the horses death... but the horse looks completely fine in the opening scene. Earlier this week, I saw in an unofficial discussion thread that people had a hard time believing Amanda would willfully take the blame for Lily murdering her stepfather. Is it the same height with a duck in the normal position or with the neck stretched out? They can be captured and broken out in the wild, purchased from stables or acquired by more underhanded means. I really really enjoyed this movie and I don't know that I would have if it hadn't gotten so violent and bleak at the end. I saw this very stoned and was kind of entranced by the character portrayals. I liked the movie. You can tell that the writer/director is a really skilled playwright. Really wish someone would track down the script and post it. I agree- very good post, great breakdown. Scroll down for resources, mod and verification applications, Discord listings and more. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The two leads are great. 2) Thoroughbreds participate in a wide variety of disciplines: A lot of people outside the horse world wrongly believe that these equine athletes are only used for racing…this could not be further from the truth! That's all fantastic, but the problem is that we're not getting anything out of that. The whole time it held on the shot of Amanda on the couch I had no idea what to expect: whether she'd really go through with it, and even if she did, whether the stepfather would overpower her anyway. Amanda says it's because she has no reason to live, but I just don't buy that, because Olivia Cooke pauses before saying it, like she's calculating and hesitating, and when the words came out, I just wasn't convinced. One thing that is really interesting about the shooting style at the opening of the movie is how Cory Finley uses a standard shot then reverse-shot dialogue technique in order to place Amanda and Lily on opposite sides of the frame and to separate them as much as humanly possible in the frame. Thoroughbreds are good horses; they have superb agility, fantastic speed, and an exceptional spirit. If Amanda had feelings, maybe she would've loved Lily so Amanda would take the fall for her, but I don't think that's the case. The trailer paints a picture of a movie that contrasts the "girl who feels nothing" against "the girl who feels everything", but its really a contrast of sociopath (Amanda) vs psychopath (Lily). Then when she comes back in the room, the lack of camera movement, cuts, or music made it feel so coldly real despite the rest of the movie being so stylized. he was a bit stern, but ultimately he never did anything worth hating). Think Mean Girls filtered through the bleakly humorous noir lens of the Coen brothers. I interpreted it as there's multiple types of sociopath. He's portrayed as an arrogant, controlling, selfish asshat who has neither the time nor the patience to deal w/ Lily at all, much less her bulls&%t and defiance. Click here to see rankings for 2018 films, Click here to see rankings for every poll done, Summary: Two upper-class teenage girls in suburban Connecticut rekindle their unlikely friendship after years of growing apart. If you haven't seen the film but would like to see the result of the poll click here. Like a teenage coming-of-psycho breaking bad. Hooves also expand and contract When making contact with the ground and shoes limit that function. Sorry about the reupload folks, had a minor resolution problem with the original. Sonja Meadows is fighting to stop it. That sucked. Mike McBarron makes a living on it. I totally agree. Major spoilers for The Turning below. From beginners to professionals, we come together to teach, learn, and share everything about Screenwriting. The movie opens with a young woman, Amanda (Olivia Cooke), in a stable with her horse, Honeymooner. The cinematography, the twists and turns (literal and story-wise), and even just content wise, all signs point to there being a gigantic takeaway. Please view our rules and wikis before posting. But it totally threw me off when Mark actually showed up to the spa. Olivia Cooke and Anya Taylor-Joy play rich kids with a dark side in this remarkable debut from East Coast playwright Cory Finley. Favorite movie of the year so far, tied with Paddington 2. The cinematography is slow, patient, and at all times purposeful. The trailer kind of gave a Cruel Intentions vibe. Being a liar, being manipulative, or being a murderer doesn't necessarily make you mentally ill. People of completely sound mind are more than capable of all those things. Not to mention the soundtrack that was just thrumming with life. Anya Taylor-Joy as Lily In fact, that's the point of Lily's character. Director: Cory Finley Writer: Cory "in the House" Finley Cast: Olivia Cooke as Amanda. Those horses are generally bred for dressage and show jumping, while Thoroughbreds are bred for galloping, speed and endurance. And it's not like it presents itself as a film without much to say. She would've have been better off in this case (not sure it is the case tho) to convince Lily not to kill stepdad. While Amanda was clearly intended as a textbook psychopath (ASPD), with Lily, there is little to no reason to believe she is mentally deficient or ill in any way. And I think you can see this in Olivia Cooke's performance throughout. Photo courtesy of thoroughbredclassic.org. While I agree that with Lily he's just stern, and I think it's very intentional we never see him hit her mother, I do think he is at least a total dick. Reminded me of Punch-Drunk Love. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Screenwriting community. Would any of you be willing to explain this to me? Together, they hatch a plan to solve both of their problems-no matter what the cost. Lave watched "Thoroughbreds" and now he's telling you what he thought about it. For the film to simply be Lily's journey in the discovery of her own psychopath? Then why take the fall and go to an institution where she can't hang? I can't remember if we learn that her history involves any serious behavioral issues... And perhaps I'm not giving Mark enough credit. Thoroughbreds are feisty, athletic horses that can be used for multiple purposes. Summary: Two upper-class teenage girls in suburban Connecticut rekindle their unlikely friendship after years of growing apart. Lily is struggling to get there and rejected all notions that she might be slightly like Amanda. What a masterful use of sound. This breed has much success in disciplines such as dressage and show jumping. The sound design in this movie made it for me. I disagree emphatically. She certainly shares character traits with those with various cluster B personality disorders, but that does not amount to a basis for a clinical diagnosis. But I think it's important to remember that while she may not feel emotions, that doesn't mean she doesn't care about anything. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The story centers on childhood friends Lily and Amanda (Anya Taylor-Joy and Olivia Cooke) who reconnect in suburban Connecticut after years of growing apart. Thoroughbreds also tend not to be as careful in the show-jumping phase as warmbloods. Loved it too. The fact that it had the balls to go where it did was what completely made it for me. If you follow the rabbit hole of Amanda really not having feelings, I think there are a few little inconsistencies of character which don't detract from the movie, but it makes me appreciate characters that stay true all the way down. (Also provides a unique "get-in" story on how Finley found himself in the position to direct this as his first film). And it's not like it presents itself as a film without much to say. Yet despite all these comparisons, Finley has created a film that feels original and alive. Together, they hatch a plan to solve both of their problems-no matter what the cost. A school for troubled teens would be the perfect solution b/c besides meeting his criteria for getting and keeping her gone girl, he can rationalize to his wife that they're actually doing Lily a kindness by getting Lily the help she so desperately needs. Despite being in a much better position than Amanda to be a good person, Lily ends up in a dark, twisted, and evil place purely through her own choices. When I think of duck, I think of this: This is a male and female mallard duck. Psychopaths show no remorse, as evidenced by Lily's last scene when she said she threw away Amanda's letter. The sound of the exercise machine was so genius! So glad I saw this in a theater to get the full experience. Her animal cruelty incident, was done solely to put the horse out of its misery, not for her own satisfaction. I think there are subtle hints throughout the movie that Amanda DOES care about Lily's well-being, like Amanda saving Lily from drowning herself. I think the subtext of that line is "Because I care about you." But I digress- sorry- my point was that I think Mark is so selfish and apathetic towards Lily that he just figured out the quickest, easiest way to get her out of the picture and in such a way that would pretty much guarantee that she couldn't easily leave the place or get kicked out and sent back home. I think Thoroughbreds are great in any discipline, their willingness is the best reason to ride one.” 3) Barrel Racing. When the pedicurist was Mark, I rolled my eyes and was slightly surprised that a movie with such a tight script up to that point did something that bad. Although best known as racehorses, they excel in many other equine activities. Do you think any part of her was worried for Amanda? That right there is a tough question. Are the duck and the horse the same height or the same mass? I didn't even realize the climactic scene is one long shot until someone told me afterwards. She's a disruption to his world, ergo- send her away! I'm unsure. What kind of duck? That soundtrack was awful. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, News & Discussion about Major Motion Pictures, Press J to jump to the feed. Buy, breed and race the fastest thoroughbreds. This test can be repeated on successive days, or over a 7-day period. That's totally how I felt about the ending, too. Also, by the end of the movie, we're tempted to feel all fuzzy about Amanda cuz we realize Lily's a piece of shit. Sociopaths have difficulty in forming attachments, but some may be able to become attached to certain persons. I really enjoyed the movie too, but I think one of it's weaknesses is that I didn't find much depth. It was so ominous and cringy and it immediately made me sympathize with Lilly's hatred of him. Horses have a built shock absorber, called the frog and when they wear shoes it doesn't do it's job. Thanks! When horses wear shoes holes are being created that allow bacteria and fungi in that weakens the hoof. when she's concerned about his bike accident is enough to convince me of that, if not that he's at least somewhat abusive. Of course his monologue about Lily is spot-on, but I think it's possible that they're both assholes. When Amanda starts to chug the roofied drink, Lily asks why she is agreeing to this. A photograph has gone viral on Reddit of the burial of a 2,000-year-old Thracian chariot with horses and a dog. Amanda was clearly able to form an attachment with the horse and with Lily (possibly because they used to ride together). The soundtrack is likewise intent on imbuing the viewer with a certain uneasiness throughout. This reminds of that quote Fincher said about the difference between films and movies. I feel a bit differently about Mark than you do. A basic understanding of these theories can also help the racing public understand a horse's theoretical genetic potential. I'd argue Amanda doesn't "care" about Lily's well being, meaning Amanda doesn't actually have feelings toward Lily that guide her interactions with her. Very cleverly done. Press J to jump to the feed. Full Review I highly recommend anyone to listen to Cory Finley's Q&A podcast episode where he provided some insight into his story decisions. The pace felt very fast despite having mostly dialogue. Thoroughbred horses typically stand between 15 and 17 hands tall. ZED is a provably fair digital horse racing game built on blockchain technology. They are renowned as racehorses but also excel in many equine activities. Thoroughbreds have been tested by conducting a two- to three-step test ( Box 16.3 ). If you've seen the film, please rate it at this poll. Some scenes are surreal but in a good way. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a case of game recognizing game b/c I would argue that he's almost as much of a disturbed individual as she is. Really fun, refreshing, dark as shit, quick film. I I guess do you think the director/writer was hoping to make a film or do you think his objective was just make a movie? Lily's only reason for killing Marc was for her own benefit. She goes on how he broke two legs from kicking the stable and has having violent convulsions, but he’s standing fine in the opening scene. Did that turn out to be true? According to the first few results from a google search, sociopaths and psychopaths are very similar, but differ in a few ways. Interesting themes that leave you thinking, too. In the film, Amanda was unable to hide her "creepiness". Horses legs, compared to the rest of their body are lighter, for speed, so when they break, a lot of times they shatter. Question for you: Why do you think Lily cries after the murder? I can't quite remember because I listened to it broken up over several days but I believe the writer/director expanded on what you're speaking of in this podcast. The climax depended on it. Create a legacy by building a star-studded stable of winning racehorses. And as the movie goes further and further, and Lily becomes more and more conniving and vindictive and spiteful, we still want to be with her, and it isn't until the final moment that we understand that she's the psychopath. So we assume that Lily is right to hate him, even though he never does anything wrong (think about it, what did he actually do that was bad? We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. Movies are for audiences and films are for audiences and film-makers. It's great filmmaking but doesn't give us much beyond that.
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